Damage cancel - Revision history

Sundark at 22:10, 9 January 2025

2025-01-09T22:10:31Z

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

Matt at 10:39, 20 October 2024

2024-10-20T10:39:05Z

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

Ryan: thumbnail

2024-06-06T05:05:23Z

thumbnail

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

Ryan: added gif example

2024-06-06T04:10:37Z

added gif example

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

Ryan: no sense having mitigation strategies for a phenomenon that doesn't exist anymore...

2024-06-06T03:26:17Z

no sense having mitigation strategies for a phenomenon that doesn't exist anymore...

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	* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{Gun\|rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.		* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{Gun\|rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.
	* ATA misses do not send damage packets, but specials failing to activate do cause a damage packet to be sent.		* ATA misses do not send damage packets, but specials failing to activate do cause a damage packet to be sent.

	~~== Mitigation strategies ==~~

	* Pay close attention to damage output vs. teammates' and switching target if a teammate's DPS against the same target is superior.
	* Kill an enemy in one hit (via {{Megid}}, Hell, or a one-shot attack e.g. {{Sword\|rare\|Dark Flow}}) - this sends a data packet that the enemy is Dead, which cannot be overwritten.
	* Cease firing Devil's/Demon's weapons once the target's HP has reached the lowest it can go.
	* Know Technique strengths/weaknesses; don't spam AoE techniques e.g. {{Gifoie}} if they are ineffective at killing the target.
	* Try to cast {{Jellen\|n}} and {{Zalure\|n}} on a target only once; judge case-by-case whether the enemy needs J/Z at all.

Ryan at 10:51, 17 December 2023

2023-12-17T10:51:16Z

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

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	* ATA misses do not send damage packets, but specials failing to activate do cause a damage packet to be sent.		* ATA misses do not send damage packets, but specials failing to activate do cause a damage packet to be sent.

	== Mitigation ~~Strategies~~ ==		== Mitigation strategies ==

	* Pay close attention to damage output vs. teammates' and switching target if a teammate's DPS against the same target is superior.		* Pay close attention to damage output vs. teammates' and switching target if a teammate's DPS against the same target is superior.

Ender at 03:04, 3 December 2023

2023-12-03T03:04:59Z

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	* A player attacks an enemy, producing any damage number (including 0) or inflicts a status effect (including {{Jellen}} & {{Zalure}}).		* A player attacks an enemy, producing any damage number (including 0) or inflicts a status effect (including {{Jellen}} & {{Zalure}}).
	* The player's game client sends to the server a data packet containing the enemy's current ~~remaining~~ HP.		* The player's game client sends to the server a data packet containing the total damage done to an enemy, which is calculated as its max HP minus its current HP.
	* The server ~~relays its most recently received "remaining HP"~~ packet ~~back~~ to all players ~~except~~ the ~~one who sent~~ it.		* The server forwards the damage packet to all other players. Receiving clients will accept that value and update the monster's HP no matter what. The value could be higher or lower than what the local client sees, because it's possible an action happened on another client that affected the monster's HP.
	* However, the server relays the most recently received data packet no matter what, regardless of whether its total is higher or lower than any other data. Therefore, if two people ~~send HP~~ at roughly the same time, one of the two totals may overwrite the other, effectively negating one of the two players' damage.		* However, the server relays the most recently received data packet no matter what, regardless of whether its total is higher or lower than any other data. Therefore, if two people damage an enemy at roughly the same time, one of the two totals may overwrite the other, effectively negating one of the two players' damage.
	* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{Gun\|rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.		* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{Gun\|rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.
			* ATA misses do not send damage packets, but specials failing to activate do cause a damage packet to be sent.

	== Mitigation Strategies ==		== Mitigation Strategies ==

Ryan: /* Mitigation Strategies */

2022-12-30T06:03:43Z

Mitigation Strategies

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	* Cease firing Devil's/Demon's weapons once the target's HP has reached the lowest it can go.		* Cease firing Devil's/Demon's weapons once the target's HP has reached the lowest it can go.
	* Know Technique strengths/weaknesses; don't spam AoE techniques e.g. {{Gifoie}} if they are ineffective at killing the target.		* Know Technique strengths/weaknesses; don't spam AoE techniques e.g. {{Gifoie}} if they are ineffective at killing the target.
	* Try to cast {{Jellen}} and {{Zalure}} on a target only once; judge case-by-case whether the enemy needs J/Z at all.		* Try to cast {{Jellen\|n}} and {{Zalure\|n}} on a target only once; judge case-by-case whether the enemy needs J/Z at all.

Ryan at 05:42, 30 December 2022

2022-12-30T05:42:54Z

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	* The server relays its most recently received "remaining HP" packet back to all players except the one who sent it.		* The server relays its most recently received "remaining HP" packet back to all players except the one who sent it.
	* However, the server relays the most recently received data packet no matter what, regardless of whether its total is higher or lower than any other data. Therefore, if two people send HP at roughly the same time, one of the two totals may overwrite the other, effectively negating one of the two players' damage.		* However, the server relays the most recently received data packet no matter what, regardless of whether its total is higher or lower than any other data. Therefore, if two people send HP at roughly the same time, one of the two totals may overwrite the other, effectively negating one of the two players' damage.
	* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{~~Link~~\|~~icon=gun\|color=~~rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.		* This manifests as an enemy under massive attack from multiple players taking far less damage than expected. As an extreme worst-case example, an enemy being hit by rapid fire weapons (e.g. {{Gun\|rare\|Last Swan}}) doing 0 damage per hit can be rendered nigh-invincible to the other players.

	== Mitigation Strategies ==		== Mitigation Strategies ==

Ryan at 05:41, 30 December 2022

2022-12-30T05:41:16Z

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	'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:		'''Damage cancel''' (DMC) is a ''PSO'' community term describing the following process:

	* A player attacks an enemy, producing any damage number (including 0) or inflicts a status effect (including {{~~Link\|icon=Jellen\|~~Jellen}} & {{~~Link\|icon=Zalure\|~~Zalure}}).		* A player attacks an enemy, producing any damage number (including 0) or inflicts a status effect (including {{Jellen}} & {{Zalure}}).
	* The player's game client sends to the server a data packet containing the enemy's current remaining HP.		* The player's game client sends to the server a data packet containing the enemy's current remaining HP.
	* The server relays its most recently received "remaining HP" packet back to all players except the one who sent it.		* The server relays its most recently received "remaining HP" packet back to all players except the one who sent it.
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	* Pay close attention to damage output vs. teammates' and switching target if a teammate's DPS against the same target is superior.		* Pay close attention to damage output vs. teammates' and switching target if a teammate's DPS against the same target is superior.
	* Kill an enemy in one hit (via {{~~Link\|icon=Megid\|~~Megid}}, Hell, or a one-shot attack e.g. {{~~Link\|icon=sword~~\|~~color=~~rare\|Dark Flow}}) - this sends a data packet that the enemy is Dead, which cannot be overwritten.		* Kill an enemy in one hit (via {{Megid}}, Hell, or a one-shot attack e.g. {{Sword\|rare\|Dark Flow}}) - this sends a data packet that the enemy is Dead, which cannot be overwritten.
	* Cease firing Devil's/Demon's weapons once the target's HP has reached the lowest it can go.		* Cease firing Devil's/Demon's weapons once the target's HP has reached the lowest it can go.
	* Know Technique strengths/weaknesses; don't spam AoE techniques e.g. {{~~Link\|icon=Gifoie\|~~Gifoie}} if they are ineffective at killing the target.		* Know Technique strengths/weaknesses; don't spam AoE techniques e.g. {{Gifoie}} if they are ineffective at killing the target.
	* Try to cast {{~~Link\|icon=~~Jellen~~\|Jellen\|nolink=1~~}} and {{~~Link\|icon=Zalure\|~~Zalure~~\|nolink=1~~}} on a target only once; judge case-by-case whether the enemy needs J/Z at all.		* Try to cast {{Jellen}} and {{Zalure}} on a target only once; judge case-by-case whether the enemy needs J/Z at all.