Hunting common weapons - Revision history

DM 경호: /* General information */ link correction

2025-02-25T09:24:17Z

General information: link correction

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	== General information ==		== General information ==
	In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[~~Weapon attribute drop tables~~#~~Pattern selection~~\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.		In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon_drop_tables#Pattern_attribute_values\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.

	Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> A fast and efficient way to hunt for item boxes--and, in turn, common weapons--is detailed in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.		Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> A fast and efficient way to hunt for item boxes--and, in turn, common weapons--is detailed in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.

DM 경호: /* General information */ cleanup, adding en4 reset as optimal strategy

2025-02-25T09:23:03Z

General information: cleanup, adding en4 reset as optimal strategy

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	== General information ==		== General information ==
	In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked~~. The most optimal common weapon hunt is the [[EN4 Claw reset]]~~.		In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.

	Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> An efficient way to hunt for item boxes and ~~thus~~ common weapons is ~~explained~~ in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.		Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> A fast and efficient way to hunt for item boxes--and, in turn, common weapons--is detailed in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.

			The [[EN4 Claw reset]] details a method that optimizes both area patterns and weapon drops from [[enemies]] and [[item boxes]]. With its current implementation of [[Anguish]] and [[Weekly boost]], the Claw reset strategy stands as the most efficient and effective way to hunt for common weapons.

	==Finding common weapons by defeating enemies==		==Finding common weapons by defeating enemies==

DM 경호: /* General information */ adding en4 reset

2025-02-24T16:27:45Z

General information: adding en4 reset

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	== General information ==		== General information ==
	In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.		In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked. The most optimal common weapon hunt is the [[EN4 Claw reset]].

	Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> An efficient way to hunt for item boxes and thus common weapons is explained in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.		Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> An efficient way to hunt for item boxes and thus common weapons is explained in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.

Toujours: /* Seabed */ added resets for en4 and pw3

2024-11-24T17:13:23Z

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Toujours: /* Central Control Area */ Finally updated disclaimers that hunting commons on anguish sucks now lol

2024-11-06T14:50:18Z

Central Control Area: Finally updated disclaimers that hunting commons on anguish sucks now lol

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	===Mine ===		===Mine ===
	Although neither Mine 1 or Mine 2 can roll pattern 4 for attributes naturally on Ultimate difficulty, this can be achieved by playing on [[Anguish]].<ref name=":1">[[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|Weapon attribute drop tables]]</ref>		Although neither Mine 1 or Mine 2 can roll pattern 4 for attributes naturally on Ultimate difficulty, this can be achieved by playing on [[Anguish]].<ref name=":1">[[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|Weapon attribute drop tables]]</ref> However, because enemies on Anguish have increased stats, are more resistant to specials like [[Demon's]], and can only be frozen for 2 seconds instead of the regular 5, hunting common weapons in this area is less efficient.

	The following enemies in Mine have weapons as their set drop:		The following enemies in Mine have weapons as their set drop:
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	=== Central Control Area ===		=== Central Control Area ===
	While only [[Seaside]] and [[Central Control Area]] have natural access to one 4th pattern attribute roll, playing on [[Anguish]] difficulty gives the player all 4th pattern attribute rolls in Jungle East, Mountain, Seaside, and Central Control Area.<ref name=":1" /> ~~Due~~ to the ~~high concentration of monsters with~~ weapons ~~as their set drop~~ in this area~~, CCA~~ is ~~a popular area for hunting common weapons on Anguish difficulty. It should be noted that Jungle North cannot access 4th pattern attribute rolls under any circumstance~~.		While only [[Seaside]] and [[Central Control Area]] have natural access to one 4th pattern attribute roll, playing on [[Anguish]] difficulty gives the player all 4th pattern attribute rolls in Jungle East, Mountain, Seaside, and Central Control Area.<ref name=":1" /> However, because enemies on Anguish have increased stats, are more resistant to specials like [[Hell]] and [[Demon's]], and can only be frozen for 2 seconds instead of the regular 5, hunting common weapons in this area is less efficient.

	The following enemies in CCA have weapons as their set drop:		The following enemies in CCA have weapons as their set drop:
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	=== Crater ===		=== Crater ===
	While no area in Crater has natural access to 4th pattern attribute rolls, [[Crater North]] and [[Crater Interior]] gain access to 4th pattern attribute rolls when playing on [[Anguish]].<ref name=":1" /> Crater East, Crater West, and Crater South cannot access the 4th pattern attribute rolls under any circumstance. Despite having numerous enemies with weapons as their set drop, the numbers of each of these enemies that appear per quest is lower than other areas, ~~making~~ hunting common weapons in this area ~~generally unpopular~~.		While no area in Crater has natural access to 4th pattern attribute rolls, [[Crater North]] and [[Crater Interior]] gain access to 4th pattern attribute rolls when playing on [[Anguish]].<ref name=":1" /> Crater East, Crater West, and Crater South cannot access the 4th pattern attribute rolls under any circumstance. Despite having numerous enemies with weapons as their set drop, the numbers of each of these enemies that appear per quest is lower than other areas. In addition, enemies on Anguish are more resistant to specials like [[Hell]] and [[Demon's]], and can only be frozen for 2 seconds instead of the regular 5. Therefore, hunting common weapons in this area is less efficient.

	The following enemies in Crater have weapons as their set drop:		The following enemies in Crater have weapons as their set drop:

DM 경호 at 09:40, 12 September 2024

2024-09-12T09:40:57Z

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	In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.		In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.

	Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> A efficient way to hunt for item boxes and thus common weapons is explained in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.		Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> An efficient way to hunt for item boxes and thus common weapons is explained in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.

	==Finding common weapons by defeating enemies==		==Finding common weapons by defeating enemies==

DM 경호: Links and adding info on box runs

2024-09-12T09:40:22Z

Links and adding info on box runs

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	In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.		In order to hunt common weapons with high hit percentage, it is recommended to hunt in areas that provide the best [[Weapon attribute drop tables#Pattern selection\|pattern selection]] for each attribute roll, because pattern 4 has a greatly increased rate at which attribute values between 50-90% are rolled compared with other patterns, and is the only pattern capable of finding weapons with 90% or higher on a given attribute if the weapon is untekked.

	Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.		Most item boxes have a chance of dropping a weapon on ultimate difficulty from 6-9% depending on the area.<ref name=":0">[[Item box#Item box drop tables\|Item box]]</ref> A efficient way to hunt for item boxes and thus common weapons is explained in the [[box run\|box run guide]]. However, certain item boxes are set to drop specific items (such as {{Tool\|Moon Atomizer\|Moon Atomizers}} in {{Quest link\|Phantasmal World 2}}) and therefore cannot drop weapons. After killing a boss, there are often a certain number of boxes that are guaranteed to contain weapons. Though often associated with "Boss rush" quests, certain item boxes may be designated to drop weapons outside of the boss area in certain quests, such as in the Endless Nightmare series. Playing quests with a high number of weapon boxes is one of the most efficient things a player can do to find more common weapons. The player should be advised that certain quests containing a boss, such as {{Quest link\|Lost HELL PALLASCH}}, do not spawn any boxes after defeating the boss.

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	=== Seabed ===		=== Seabed ===
	Seabed Upper and Lower have natural access to Pattern 4 attribute rolls<ref name=":1" />, and contain a high concentration of enemies with weapons as their set drop. For this reason, Seabed is one of the most popular areas for hunting common weapons.		Seabed Upper and Lower have natural access to Pattern 4 attribute rolls<ref name=":1" />, and contain a high concentration of enemies with weapons as their set drop. For this reason, Seabed is one of the most popular areas for hunting common weapons. Seabed Upper also features the most efficient way to access a multitude of boxes. More information can be found in the [[box run\|box run guide]].

	The following enemies in Seabed have weapons as their set drop:		The following enemies in Seabed have weapons as their set drop:

DM 경호: /* Finding common weapons by defeating enemies */ New roll order

2024-08-23T12:29:52Z

Finding common weapons by defeating enemies: New roll order

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	Each time an enemy is defeated, the game rolls to determine whether an item will drop, and if so, what that item will be in the following order:		Each time an enemy is defeated, the game rolls to determine whether an item will drop, and if so, what that item will be in the following order:

			#The game rolls based on the monster's [[drop anything rate]] (DAR) to determine if the monster has the possibility of dropping anything.
			#The game rolls to decide if the monster will drop its specified rare item (depending on area, section ID, and difficulty)
	#The game rolls for event drops, such as {{Tool\|rare\|Event Egg}}, {{Tool\|rare\|Halloween Cookie}}, or {{Tool\|Present (Christmas)}}		#The game rolls for event drops, such as {{Tool\|rare\|Event Egg}}, {{Tool\|rare\|Halloween Cookie}}, or {{Tool\|Present (Christmas)}}
	#The game rolls for ~~{{Tool\|Music~~ disks}} (1/600 ~~across all enemies)~~		#The game rolls for [[music disks]] (<code>1/600</code> from any monster)
	~~#The game rolls based on the enemy's [[Drop anything rate]] (DAR) to determine if the enemy has the possibility of dropping anything else~~		#The game rolls to determine whether the drop is {{Meseta}}, a [[tools\|tool]], or the monster's [[Item drops#Set drops\|set drop]]. Each of these categories has an equivalent <code>1/3</code> chance of being rolled
	~~#The game rolls to decide if the enemy will drop its specified rare item (depending on area, Section ID, and difficulty~~)
	#The game rolls to determine whether the drop is {{Meseta}}, a ~~{{Tool~~\|~~Tools\|Tool}}~~, or the ~~enemy~~'s set drop (1/3 chance ~~for any~~ of ~~these)~~

	Therefore, if an enemy that could drop a common weapon drops its designated rare item, it loses out on a 1/3 chance of dropping a weapon~~. Because event drops and Music disks are rolled prior to DAR, they are less likely to nullify the chance for a weapon to drop~~.		Therefore, if an enemy that could drop a common weapon drops its designated rare item, it loses out on a 1/3 chance of dropping a weapon.

	Due to the complexity of calculating for the chance that event drops, Music disks, or rare items will nullify the chance that an enemy capable of dropping weapons will drop a weapon, and the relative insignificance of such nullified rolls to overall averages of weapons dropped, we will use the following '''''simplified''''' formula for calculating the chance that an enemy with weapon designated as its set drop will drop a weapon:		Due to the complexity of calculating for the chance that event drops, Music disks, or rare items will nullify the chance that an enemy capable of dropping weapons will drop a weapon, and the relative insignificance of such nullified rolls to overall averages of weapons dropped, we will use the following '''''simplified''''' formula for calculating the chance that an enemy with weapon designated as its set drop will drop a weapon:

Sundark: /* Control Tower */

2024-03-13T01:01:25Z

Control Tower

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	[[Recon]] (10 DAR)		[[Recon]] (10 DAR)
	*[[Ill Gill~~\|Ill gill~~]] (40 DAR)		*[[Ill Gill]] (40 DAR)
	* [[Delbiter]] (80 DAR)		*[[Delbiter]] (80 DAR)

	Due to the high natural Drop Anything Rate of Delbiters, players hunting common weapons are advised to play quests with high numbers of this enemy.		Due to the high natural Drop Anything Rate of Delbiters, players hunting common weapons are advised to play quests with high numbers of this enemy.

Sundark: /* Episode 4 boss (Saint-Million, Shambertin, and Kondrieu) */

2024-03-08T20:49:17Z

Episode 4 boss (Saint-Million, Shambertin, and Kondrieu)

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	<nowiki>*</nowiki>Respective Tomorrow does not feature any boxes after defeating Olga Flow, and the Tower portion of this quest is optional.		<nowiki>*</nowiki>Respective Tomorrow does not feature any boxes after defeating Olga Flow, and the Tower portion of this quest is optional.

	=== ~~Episode 4 boss (~~Saint-~~Million,~~ Shambertin~~, and~~ Kondrieu) ===		=== Saint-Milion (Shambertin/Kondrieu) ===
	Defeating the boss of Episode 4 often spawns 8 weapon boxes. {{Quest link\|Point of Disaster}} contains 9 weapon boxes after defeating the boss. Boxes dropped by the boss of Episode 4 are counted under "Desert boxes" in the table below.		Defeating the boss of Episode 4 often spawns 8 weapon boxes. {{Quest link\|Point of Disaster}} contains 9 weapon boxes after defeating the boss. Boxes dropped by the boss of Episode 4 are counted under "Desert boxes" in the table below.
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