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==Drop rates==
==Drop rates==


For an [[Item box]] to drop a level 30 attack technique:
In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from an [[Item box]]:


# The Item box must not be designated to drop a specific set item or set item type (ex: [[Phantasmal World 2]] has 5 Box (Moon Atomizer) in Mountain. [[Towards the Future]] has 4 Box (Weapon) in Forest 2).
# The Item box must not be designated to drop a specific set item or set item type other than [[Tools|Tool]] (ex: the quest [[Lost HEAT SWORD]] contains 55 non-set Box, 2 set Box (Moon Atomizer), 2 set Box (Weapon), and 5 set Box (Tool). Any non-set Item box must succeed all of the following rolls. Any set Item box of type Box (Tool) skips the next roll).
# The Item box must roll to drop a [[Tools|Tool]] ({{Note|10/100|10%}} chance).
# The Item box must roll to drop a Tool ({{Note|10/100|10%}} chance).
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
# The Technique Disk must roll as this technique ({{Note|1/1000. For Rafoie and Zonde in Mine 2: 1/744 or approximately 0.134%|0.1%}} chance in the area where the level 30 technique is available).
# The Technique Disk must roll as this technique ({{Note|1/1000. For Rafoie and Zonde in Mine 2: 1/744 or approximately 0.134%|0.1%}} chance in the area where the level 30 technique is available).
# The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels ({{Note|1/10. For Megid: 1/9 or approximately 11.11% chance|10%}} chance).
# The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels ({{Note|1/10. For Megid: 1/9 or approximately 11.11% chance|10%}} chance).


For a [[Monsters|Monster]] to drop a level 30 attack technique:
 
# The [[Drop anything rate]] roll must be successful to drop an item (DAR% chance. Variable per enemy).
In order to estimate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from a [[Monsters|Monster]], first assume the following negligible* rolls fail:
* (During Easter, Anniversary, Halloween, or Christmas events) The [[Tools#Event_items|Event Item]] roll fails.
* The [[Music disks|Music disk]] roll fails.
* After the [[Drop anything rate]] roll succeeds, the [[Rare drop rate]] roll {{Note|Very high RDR (1/1.14, 1/2, 1/3.2, 1/4, 1/8) rare enemy drops are not negligible and affect the final rate significantly|fails*}}.
Next, the following rolls must be successful:
# The Drop anything rate roll must be successful to drop an item (DAR% chance. Variable per enemy).
# The item must roll as a Tool (approximately {{Note|1/3. Equal chances for Tool, Meseta, or the Monster's Set drop type|33.33%}} chance).
# The item must roll as a Tool (approximately {{Note|1/3. Equal chances for Tool, Meseta, or the Monster's Set drop type|33.33%}} chance).
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
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See [[Techniques#Technique%20disks%20drop%20table|Technique disks drop table]] for a comprehensive view of technique and technique disk level distribution.
See [[Techniques#Technique%20disks%20drop%20table|Technique disks drop table]] for a comprehensive view of technique and technique disk level distribution.


With all modifiers included, the rate for a level 30 attack technique disk is 1/1,000,000 from any non-set Item box in the area. Coincidentally, 1/1,000,000 is also the rate for the level 30 attack technique disk from any 30% DAR monster in the area. Monsters with higher DAR will have an increased overall rate while monsters with lower DAR will have a decreased overall rate.
 
After multiplying the above rates together, the combined final rate for a level 30 attack technique disk is 1/1,000,000 from any non-set Item box in the area. Coincidentally, 1/1,000,000 is also the approximate rate for the level 30 attack technique disk from any 30% DAR monster in the area. Monsters with higher DAR will have an increased overall rate while monsters with lower DAR will have a decreased overall rate.
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Revision as of 19:57, 12 March 2024

Level 30 techniques drop on Ultimate difficulty only, and only in specific areas.

In the areas where the level 30 attack technique drops, typically there is a 0.1% chance of this technique dropping instead of a different technique and a 10% chance for the dropped technique's level to be 30. On average across all drops generated that can potentially be a technique, the drop rate for a level 30 technique is 1/500,000.

Drop charts

Offensive techniques

Technique Area(s)
Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 4
Foie.pngFoie Ruins 2 VR Temple Alpha -
Barta.pngBarta Mine 1 VR Spaceship Beta Crater (Western Route)
Zonde.pngZonde Mine 2 Mountain Area Crater Interior
Gifoie.pngGifoie Ruins 1 VR Temple Beta -
Gibarta.pngGibarta Cave 3 Jungle Area (North) Crater (Southern Route)
Gizonde.pngGizonde Ruins 1 Seaside Area;
Central Control Area
Subterranean Desert 1
Rafoie.pngRafoie Mine 2 VR Spaceship Alpha Crater (Eastern Route)
Rabarta.pngRabarta Mine 1 Jungle Area (East) Crater (Northern Route)
Razonde.pngRazonde Ruins 2 Seabed Upper Levels Subterranean Desert 2
Grants.pngGrants Ruins 3 Seabed Lower Levels;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert 3
Megid.pngMegid - Seabed Lower Levels;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert 3

Recovery and Support techniques

Techniques Area(s)
Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 4
Resta.pngResta
Anti.pngAnti (7)
Cave 3;
Mine;
Ruins
Central Control Area (All);
Seabed;
Control Tower
Crater (South, North, Interior);
Subterranean Desert
Shifta.pngShifta
Deband.pngDeband
Jellen.pngJellen
Zalure.pngZalure
Ruins Seaside Area;
Central Control Area;
Seabed;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert

Drop rates

In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from an Item box:

  1. The Item box must not be designated to drop a specific set item or set item type other than Tool (ex: the quest Lost HEAT SWORD contains 55 non-set Box, 2 set Box (Moon Atomizer), 2 set Box (Weapon), and 5 set Box (Tool). Any non-set Item box must succeed all of the following rolls. Any set Item box of type Box (Tool) skips the next roll).
  2. The Item box must roll to drop a Tool (10% chance).
  3. The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk (10% chance).
  4. The Technique Disk must roll as this technique (0.1% chance in the area where the level 30 technique is available).
  5. The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels (10% chance).


In order to estimate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from a Monster, first assume the following negligible* rolls fail:

Next, the following rolls must be successful:

  1. The Drop anything rate roll must be successful to drop an item (DAR% chance. Variable per enemy).
  2. The item must roll as a Tool (approximately 33.33% chance).
  3. The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk (10% chance).
  4. The Technique Disk must roll as this technique (0.1% chance in the area where the level 30 technique is available).
  5. The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels (10% chance).

See Technique disks drop table for a comprehensive view of technique and technique disk level distribution.


After multiplying the above rates together, the combined final rate for a level 30 attack technique disk is 1/1,000,000 from any non-set Item box in the area. Coincidentally, 1/1,000,000 is also the approximate rate for the level 30 attack technique disk from any 30% DAR monster in the area. Monsters with higher DAR will have an increased overall rate while monsters with lower DAR will have a decreased overall rate.