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(global estimate changed 1/500,000 -> 1/800,000 with some math on global kill count (accounting for enemy DAR) and estimating that non-set item boxes opened are somewhere between: conservatively equal to 1/3 total enemies killed (1/785k global rate) or ((probably overestimated to be safe)) up to 3x total enemies killed (1/916k global rate))
 
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Level 30 techniques drop on Ultimate difficulty only, and only in specific areas.
Level 30 techniques drop on Ultimate difficulty only, and only in specific areas.


In the areas where the level 30 technique drops, there is a 0.1% chance of the technique dropping at any level and a 10% chance for the dropped technique's level to be 30. Combined with other drop rate modifiers, this puts the chance of a level 30 technique drop at 1/500,000.
In the areas where the level 30 attack technique drops, typically there is a {{Note|1/1000. For Rafoie and Zonde in Mine 2: 1/744 or approximately 0.134%|0.1%}} chance of this technique dropping instead of a different technique and a {{Note|1/10. For Megid: 1/9 or approximately 11.11%|10%}} chance for the dropped technique's level to be 30.  
 
On average across all drops generated that can potentially be a technique, the drop rate for a level 30 technique is approximately 1/800,000.
==Drop charts==
==Drop charts==
===Offensive techniques===
===Offensive techniques===
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==Drop rates==
In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from an [[Item box]] on a specific floor:
# The Item box must not be designated to drop a specific set item or set item type other than [[Tools|Tool]] (ex: the quest [[Lost HEAT SWORD]] contains 55 non-set Box, 2 set Box (Moon Atomizer), 2 set Box (Weapon), and 5 set Box (Tool). Any non-set Item box must succeed all of the following rolls. Any set Item box of type Box (Tool) skips the 2nd and 3rd roll).
# The Item box fails to roll its designated rare drop.
# The Item box must roll to drop a Tool ({{Note|10/100|10%}} chance).
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
# The Technique Disk must roll as this technique ({{Note|1/1000. For Rafoie and Zonde in Mine 2: 1/744 or approximately 0.134%|0.1%}} chance on the floor where the level 30 technique is available).
# The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels ({{Note|1/10. For Megid: 1/9 or approximately 11.11% chance|10%}} chance).
In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from a [[Monsters|Monster]] on a specific floor, the following rolls must occur:
First, an item is dropped and is a Tool:
# The [[Drop anything rate]] roll succeeds (variable per enemy).
# The [[Rare drop rate]] roll {{Note|Very high RDR (1/1.14, 1/2, 1/3.2, 1/4, 1/8) rare enemy drops are not negligible and affect the final rate significantly|fails}} (variable per enemy per [[Section IDs|Section ID]]).
# (During [[Easter event|Easter]], [[Anniversary event|Anniversary]], [[Halloween event|Halloween]], or [[Christmas event|Christmas]] [[events]]) The [[Tools#Event_items|Event Item]] roll fails (variable per event item).
# The [[Music disks|Music disk]] roll fails (<code>1/600</code> from any monster).
# The roll between {{Meseta}}, a [[Tools|Tool]], or the monster's [[Item drops#Set drops|set drop]] is a Tool (<code>1/3</code>).
Next, the Tool is a Technique Disk, is an eligible attack Technique on this specific floor, and is level 30:
# The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk ({{Note|1000/10000|10%}} chance).
# The Technique Disk must roll as this attack technique ({{Note|1/1000. For Rafoie or Zonde in Mine 2: 1/744 or approximately 0.134%|0.1%}} chance on the specific floor where the level 30 attack technique is available).
# The Technique Disk must roll as level 30 from the range of levels ({{Note|1/10. For Megid: 1/9 or approximately 11.11% chance|10%}} chance).
The final rate for a level 30 attack technique disk is 1/1,000,000 from any non-set Item box on the floor.
Coincidentally, 1/1,000,000 is also the approximate rate for the level 30 attack technique disk from any 30% DAR monster on the floor.
Monsters with higher DAR will have an increased overall rate while monsters with lower DAR will have a decreased overall rate.
: ''See also: [[Techniques#Technique%20disks%20drop%20table|Technique disks drop table]] and [[item drops]].


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Latest revision as of 19:11, 6 November 2024

Level 30 techniques drop on Ultimate difficulty only, and only in specific areas.

In the areas where the level 30 attack technique drops, typically there is a 0.1% chance of this technique dropping instead of a different technique and a 10% chance for the dropped technique's level to be 30.

On average across all drops generated that can potentially be a technique, the drop rate for a level 30 technique is approximately 1/800,000.

Drop charts[edit | edit source]

Offensive techniques[edit | edit source]

Technique Area(s)
Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 4
Foie.pngFoie Ruins 2 VR Temple Alpha -
Barta.pngBarta Mine 1 VR Spaceship Beta Crater (Western Route)
Zonde.pngZonde Mine 2 Mountain Area Crater Interior
Gifoie.pngGifoie Ruins 1 VR Temple Beta -
Gibarta.pngGibarta Cave 3 Jungle Area (North) Crater (Southern Route)
Gizonde.pngGizonde Ruins 1 Seaside Area;
Central Control Area
Subterranean Desert 1
Rafoie.pngRafoie Mine 2 VR Spaceship Alpha Crater (Eastern Route)
Rabarta.pngRabarta Mine 1 Jungle Area (East) Crater (Northern Route)
Razonde.pngRazonde Ruins 2 Seabed Upper Levels Subterranean Desert 2
Grants.pngGrants Ruins 3 Seabed Lower Levels;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert 3
Megid.pngMegid - Seabed Lower Levels;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert 3

Recovery and Support techniques[edit | edit source]

Techniques Area(s)
Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 4
Resta.pngResta
Anti.pngAnti (7)
Cave 3;
Mine;
Ruins
Central Control Area (All);
Seabed;
Control Tower
Crater (South, North, Interior);
Subterranean Desert
Shifta.pngShifta
Deband.pngDeband
Jellen.pngJellen
Zalure.pngZalure
Ruins Seaside Area;
Central Control Area;
Seabed;
Control Tower
Subterranean Desert

Drop rates[edit | edit source]

In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from an Item box on a specific floor:

  1. The Item box must not be designated to drop a specific set item or set item type other than Tool (ex: the quest Lost HEAT SWORD contains 55 non-set Box, 2 set Box (Moon Atomizer), 2 set Box (Weapon), and 5 set Box (Tool). Any non-set Item box must succeed all of the following rolls. Any set Item box of type Box (Tool) skips the 2nd and 3rd roll).
  2. The Item box fails to roll its designated rare drop.
  3. The Item box must roll to drop a Tool (10% chance).
  4. The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk (10% chance).
  5. The Technique Disk must roll as this technique (0.1% chance on the floor where the level 30 technique is available).
  6. The Technique must roll as level 30 from the range of levels (10% chance).

In order to calculate the drop rate of a level 30 attack technique from a Monster on a specific floor, the following rolls must occur:

First, an item is dropped and is a Tool:

  1. The Drop anything rate roll succeeds (variable per enemy).
  2. The Rare drop rate roll fails (variable per enemy per Section ID).
  3. (During Easter, Anniversary, Halloween, or Christmas events) The Event Item roll fails (variable per event item).
  4. The Music disk roll fails (1/600 from any monster).
  5. The roll between Meseta icon.pngMeseta, a Tool, or the monster's set drop is a Tool (1/3).

Next, the Tool is a Technique Disk, is an eligible attack Technique on this specific floor, and is level 30:

  1. The Tool must roll as a Technique Disk (10% chance).
  2. The Technique Disk must roll as this attack technique (0.1% chance on the specific floor where the level 30 attack technique is available).
  3. The Technique Disk must roll as level 30 from the range of levels (10% chance).


The final rate for a level 30 attack technique disk is 1/1,000,000 from any non-set Item box on the floor.

Coincidentally, 1/1,000,000 is also the approximate rate for the level 30 attack technique disk from any 30% DAR monster on the floor.

Monsters with higher DAR will have an increased overall rate while monsters with lower DAR will have a decreased overall rate.

See also: Technique disks drop table and item drops.